Who was
Sequoyah’s Father?
There Is a great
deal written about just who was Sequoyah’s father. The two best known say his
father was i.] A German Peddler named George Gist and ii.] Nathaniel Gist, son
of Christopher Gist, a man that accompanied George Washington in the French and
Indian War. I hope to cover both of these possibilities, then discuss a
possible third candidate for his father; iii.] another Nathaniel Gist (jr.),
son of Nathaniel Gist Sr., with Nathaniel Sr being a brother to Christopher.
i.
George
Gist, Son of German Immigrants
The first theory as to who Sequoyah’s father was,
that became widely known, was found in Harper’s New Monthly Magazine (Phillips),
dated September, 1870, p 542-548.
It says that in 1768, a German peddler named George
Gist left the village of Ebenezer on the lower Savannah, crossed the mountains
in Northern Georgia, and made his was to the Cherokee Nation.
Foster seems to take this account and embellish it in
“ Sequoyah, The American Cadmus and Modern Moses: A Complete Biography of the
Greatest of Redmen” (1885).
Foster speaks of a German/Salzberger/Moravian
settlement in Georgia in the 1730’s that was founded at the same time Oglethorpe
founded the colony of Georgia. He claims there was a Gist family in the
settlement of Ebinezer. He says the family came from Swabia/Francona in Bavaria
near the Austrian border. Foster says this family had a son they named George
Gist. And a footnote says “by some
authorities, GisB." There is a letter that looks something like an uppercase “B”
in the German alphabet that is pronounced like a long “s”, or the s-s-s-s sound
lasting maybe a full second. Throughout the book, Foster calls these Gist’s “Dutch”.
Neither Phippips nor Foster ever give
a name to Sequoyah’s mother, only that she was of a prominent Cherokee
family. Foster says she is mostly Indian, but has a little White blood.
Unfortunately, these “Gist’s” leave no trace at all.
There is no record of a George Gist, or his parents or children. There is no
record of a Gist family emigrating to Georgia when it was founded, and they disappear,
totally from all records. Where did Phillips and Foster find them? We do not
know.
ii.
Nathaniel
Gist, son of Christopher Gist
Grant Foreman, in "Sequoyah" was a major voice in the theory that
Sequoyah’s father was Nathaniel Gist, son of Christopher Gist. He speaks of one
man, Jeremiah Evarts, who had met Sequoyah in Washington. He said many things,
one being that (page 28) Sequoyah was about 50 years old. Sequoyah was in Washington
in 1828, meaning from this description, Sequoyah would have been born about 1778.
(page 36) Foeman mentions Captain John
Stuart of the Seventh Infantry. Foreman
says Stuart wrote a small book in the winder of 1837-1838 entitled “A Sketch of
the Cherokee and Choctaw Indians”. In it he said Sequoyah was about 60 years of
age. This account agrees with the first account, making Sequoyah’s birth about
1778. Quoting Stuart, Foreman says; “His connection
in blood with the Whites, is in the side of his father. His mother was
full-blood Cherokee . . .” (page 40) Foreman next mentions a merchant from
Philadelphia named John Alexander. While on the military road between Fort Gibson
and Fort Smith in 1940, he met with Sequoyah. Mr. Alexander wrote “he is apparently above 60 years of age.”
He also wrote that Sequoyah had had five wives, of which ten were alive and ten
dead. General Ethan Allen Hitchcock (pages 44-45) had spoken to Chief John
Ross. He said “Mr. Ross told me last
night that he is of mixed-blood. That General Taylor of Cincinnati had told him
in Washington City some years ago that a Virginian, a Mr. Gist, had been sent
among the Cherokee on some mission where he remained for some time and
expressed his belief that the Cherokee Guess was the son of Mr. Gist . . .Mr.
Ross seemed to have no doubt of this.” Both Ross and Hitchcock spent much
of the Civil War in Washington D.C., and probably met there at that time.
On page 76 Foreman concludes “the father of Sequoyah could not have been the German clod whose
existence is not established, but must have been Nathaniel Gist, progenitor of
many other distinguished Americans”. Foreman also makes the same argument
that I have made, that he was probably born neared the mid-1770s that 1760 as
some have said. Why would a 53 year old man sign up for the Creek War? It is easier to believe a man in his mid to late
30s enlisted.
When speaking of Major Gist Blair (page 77), who was
the son of Lincoln’s Postmaster General, and was the owner of the Blair House
on Pennsylvania Avenue in Washington, D. C. Foreman continued “He cherishes many authentic family
traditions of kinship to Sequoyah, with which he has generously aided the
author. So Foreman had met with these Gist’s personally.
Lastly, Foreman says; “In the Bureau of American Ethnology in Washington is a letter written
by John Mason Brown of the Louisville bar, a descendant of Nathaniel Gist, who
stated that Sequoyah had visited the Gist descendants in Kentucky, probably on
his way too or from Washington in 1828; on this occasion he was looking up his
white kin.”
So the primary evidence that Nathaniel Gist, son of
Christopher, was Sequoyah’s father, comes from two sources. First, a General
Taylor told John Ross that a Nathaniel Gist had lived with the Cherokee, and
suspected that he was Sequoyah’s father. The second source being from John
Mason Brown’s letter stating Sequoyah had come to his family’s home searching
for his White kin. John Mason Brown was a descendant of Nathaniel Gist, son of
Christopher. Major Blair, also a descendent of Nathaniel Gist, son of
Christopher, cooberated Brown’s story, however both come from the same family
stories, and thus from the same original sources, and are therefore not
independent from one another.
Also in “The Cherokees” Grace Steele Woodward states that
Sequoyah was not recognized by the blue-blooded Gist’s of Virginia until after
he had won the acclaim of the world.” And it appears that Brown is implying
that Sequoyah thought that his father was named Nathaniel Gist.
There was another Nathaniel Gist who lived the same
time the “famous” Nathaniel lived, and they were first cousins of one another.
Let us learn a little bit about this other Nathaniel. If Sequoyah had heard his
father was named Nathaniel Gist, perhaps he descended from the other one.
iii.
Nathaniel
Gist, Son of Nathaniel Gist, Senior
Jean Muir and Maxwell Jay Dorsey researched and wrote
“Chritopher Gist of Maryland and Some of His Descendants, 1679-1957.” It is the
most thorough book on these Gist’s ever written. Everyone who researches this
family of Gist’s, starts with this book, and branches out from it.
Nathaniel Gist, b. 1707, d. after 1787, had several
children, one of whom was also named Nathaniel, b. 1736. Nathaniel b. 1707 had
a brother Christopher who had a son also named Nathaniel, who was speculated
above as being the father of Sequoyah. But let us look at Nathaniel, b. 1736,
son of Nathaniel b. 1707. What do the Dorsey’s say of him? The Dorsey’s say of
Nathaniel (b. 1707) and his descendants (page 55):
“. . .The
births of two of his children were recorded in St. Paul’s Church Register,
Baltimore, Maryland. The bnames of other children have been found on various
records in Virginia and North Carolina . . .”
In 1731, he was given a gift of 284 acres of land by
his father, Richard Gist. In Baltimore County, Maryland.. He was living in the
same neighborhood as his 3 brothers, Thomas, Christopher, and William. Per the Dorsey’s, Nathaniel sold all his
lands in Maryland and in 1752 is found in Halifax County, Virginia. It included
all that is now Pittsylvania, Henry, Franklin and Patrick Counties. In 1754 he
is in Rowan County, North Carolina serving as a Captain of Militia. Nathaniel
is mentioned several times by the Moravians as living “beyond the Dan” or “from
the Dan” River (per the Dorsey’s). In Jan 12, 1756 the Moravians wrote of him, “Capt. Guest, who is planning to move away
from his present residence, came to see us and to say goodbye . . .” He is
recorded back in Halifax County in March 1756. In March 1761 he purchased 2
lots in Bedford County, Virginia. The Dorsey’s account then casually mentions that
some of his sons had already gone to Cumberland County, North Carolina.
Since we are interested in his son Nathaniel, b.
1736, let us se what became of him, per the Dorsey’s. They say he is first
mentioned in Cumberland County, North Carolina in January 1759. In 1769 he
purchased land from Robert Smith. Remember
that name. Before the start of the Revolutionary War started however, he moved
to Washington County, Virginia. An important footnote: when Nathaniel moved
there, Washington County included Wise County. Early in 1786 much of what was northern
Washington County was renamed Russell County. Wise County was created out of
Russell County in the first half of 1856.
Some of our Gist’s are still found in Russell County
into the first decade of the 19th century, after which the surname is
no longer found in Russell County records.
There is a monument at the site of the Battle of
Kings Mountain, during the Revolutionary War stating that Nathaniel Gist was
killed there. The Dorsey’s say (page 61);
“Soon after
they arrived” [Vance’s Note: meaning soon after Nathaniel Gist b. 1736 moved to Washington County, Virginia in the
mid 1770s] "the Revolutionary War started, and he and his brothers Richard Gist
and Thomas Gist enlisted in Colonel William Campbell’s regiment of Washington
County, Virginia. It is thought that
Nathaniel Gist was killed. The name of Nathaniel Gist appears on the monument of
those killed during the encounter with the British forces at the Battle of
Kings Mountain.”
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~varussel/other/forts.html
There was a place called “Gist’s Station” in what is
now Wise County, in southwestern Virginia. But in the past it was part of
Washington County. The author of the article below didn’t know any Gist’s ever
lived in the area – but ours did!
Guest Station and Guest Station's Camp
Of all the
frontier stations along the Clinch this one presents the greatest enigma. The
location is between Big and Little Tom’s Creek, on Guest River at the present
site of Coeburn, Wise Co., VA.
Outside of deed
references which mention this station frequently no other direct reference has
been found pertaining to it, and no militia correspondence or pensions
applications make mention of it. Charles B. Coale, in "Wilburn
Waters" tells of the Indians going to this station in 1777, after their
capture of Jane Whittaker and Polly Alley, and finding it well defended make no
attack upon it. Coale gives no authority for this statement and search for it
has proven fruitless. Who built the station and for what purpose is unknown.
There are several opinions, but opinions unless backed by factual data should
never become a part of written history. This writer does categorically deny
that it has any relation with Christopher Gist as has been written, since Gist
did not travel through the present bounds of Wise County.
Elder Morgan T.
Lipps, who settled on Tom’s Creek in the spring of 1838, states in his diary:
That the old settlers showed him some of the logs of the old fort and chimney
rocks still lying upon the ground when he arrived there in 1838. Even if
Christopher Gist did visit this spot in 1750, he could never, with the help of
a small Negro boy, have built a structure whose remains would have lasted 88
years after his departure.
That some sort
of fortification existed at Coeburn is unquestioned, since from the earliest
times the place was called Guesses Station, and retained that name until the
coming of the railroads when the name was changed.
Don Sticher,
Gist researcher but not directly related to my branch of the Gist’s who claims NO
Indian blood, found the following and forwarded it to me --
Early Times in
Clinton County (Kentucky), Jack Ferguson, 1986, Page 8
Sometime in
early 1775 Benjamin Price and a small company retraced the Maniker party’s path
and established a camp in the “Great Meadows,” an open grassland near the
present Mill Springs. Because in a few years after the opening of the
nineteenth century there was considerable litigation involving land grants in
that area, requiring the depositions of witnesses, quite a large amount of
information involving land grants in this area has been preserved concerning
Price’s settlement(15). One of those who gave their testimony was an erst-while
companion of Price - Nathaniel Buchanan (16). He testified that sometime in
1775, he, Price and some others launched a canoe into the Cumberland above the
mouth of “Meadow Creek” - later known as “Lick Branch” - and crossed the river
to the south side. Because Price was in charge of the company of hunters the
place was ever afterwards known as Price’s Landing. An old Indian trace led
from the Landing to what later became known as the “Great Meadows” or “Price’s
Meadows,” an open grassy glade or valley free of trees which extended in a
northeasterly direction from where Price later established his camp. Initially
the hunters camped in a large salt petre cave near the meadows. Buchanan
testified that he marked out a new trace from the salt petre cave to Price’s
Landing, which was a more direct route, intersecting the old trace some
distance above the river cliff. He asserted that his party used the new trace
from February until the following July. Apparently they then erected a log
house near the meadows - Buchanan testified that he assisted in building “this
cabin” - apparently, as far as the records indicate, the first settler’s
dwelling erected in this part of the Cumberland valley. According to Buchanan,
no one else was hunting in “these woods” at that time, but later Michael
Stoner, a man name Green, and some others came to them at the “Great Meadow.”
Several
miles upriver from Price’s camp a hunter named Gist, possibly Nathaniel, had a
hunting camp called Gist’s Station Camp, in Pulaski County, on the southern
side of the river nearly opposite the mouth of Pitman Creek. A trace led from
Price’s Camp to Gist’s Station Camp, which was generally used by Buchanan’s
companions - “It was our crossing place when we came to or returned from
Price’s Meadows.”
John McClure
testified that he and some others wanted to trap along the Cumberland in the
fall of 1783. They were told that they could find Price’s landing by the noise
made by the fall of the creek near its mouth. They followed Buchanan’s trace
from the landing to the salt petre cave where they camped about seven or more
months.
After a cabin
was erected at Price’s Station, the camp was enlarged and a blockhouse built,
in 1777 - “the year of the bloody sevens”- when all of Kentucky was aflame with
Indian hostilities, only Price’s Station, Harrodsburg, and Fort Boonesboro
survived.
The Dorsey's mention four of the children of Nathaniel II (b. 1736):
1.
Nathaniel (found in 1791 on Holston River just
to the south of the location of Guest’s Station/Coeburn.)
2.
John
3.
Aaron
4.
George (found near both Nathaniel III and Guest’s
Station.)
Probably others
Probably others
For John and Aaron
they say; “Thought to have gone to Tennessee”.
Unfortunately,the Dorsey’s don’t say where, in
Washington County, that Nathaniel Gist II lived, although they do give
descriptions of the locations where George and Nathaniel III lived. So we have
Nathaniel Gist II b. 1836, son of Nathaniel Gist I b. 1707, living near Gist’s
Station known to have existed in 1777 and we have a “Gist’s Station’s Camp” in
Wayne County, Kentucky in 1775. This is in Southern Kentucky next to the
Tennessee border.
Next we need to
find John and Aaron. They are difficult to find. I have only found one reference
to them. It is found in “Land of the Lake”, by Dr. G. L. Ridenour.
Unfortunately the book lists no sources. In the Preface his daughter, Crea
Ridenhour says "Much detailed research
and time went into the writing, and the information included in the book was
painstaking historically correct. . . . much that he knew died with him."
Crea Ridenhour, Nov. 11, 1991. Also an early tax list about 1800/1801 lists
two Ridenours on the same list as John Gest, who is mentioned on pages 7 and 8
of the book. The book is a history of Campbell County, Tennessee. It says:
“In the summer of 1785 several parties of
surveyors were running the metes and bounds of North Carolina land grants of
the south side of Clinch River. At the same time the surveyors could not resist
crossing the stream to select the choice locations for land grants with
reference to Henderson and Company’s Great Survey. Thomas Hutchins, a
brother-in-law and a Deputy Surveyor under Stockley Donelson during the fall
and winter of 1785-86, surveyed tracts on both sides the river.
“Brooks and a
number of woodsmen in company that year surveyed land “Including a Large
Buffalo lick.” This party gave the name of Reed’s Creek to one of the streams.
George Brooks, a brother of Castleton Brooks, a Long Hunter who settled in
Hickory Cove and had been killed by the Indians in 1776 or 1777 at his cabin,
and Andrew Reed were skilled woodsmen and famous hunters and were often
directing parties of woodsmen for the protection of the surveyors.
“One 340 acre
tract of land calls for a location on both sides Beaver dam Creek “including
William Sharp’s improvement at Reed’s corner along a conditional line between
William Sharp and John Brady on a cross fence down a small branch, thence along
the fence twenty-nine poles striking the creek at a bent so up said creek to
Miller’s line where John Guest (Gist) now lives.”
“This John
Gist was the son of an Indian trader and a Cherokee woman. He was kinsman of
Sikwayi, or Sequoya, whose English name was George Gist, the inventor of the
Cherokee alphabet of syllables. Years later Aaron Guest of Kentucky acknowledge
the receipt of his part of “the estate of my father Aaron Guest, Deceased,
where Jason Cloud and John Guest (Gist) were executors.”
Here are our John and Aaron.
So we have a direct line from ANOTHER man named
Nathaniel Gist, to Sequoyah. So Sequoyah’s father might not have abandoned his
family as is so often stated. Maybe he died in 1780 at the Battle of Kings
Mountain.
Conclusion
So we have three men who “might have been” Sequoyah’s
father. One apparently leaves no offspring at all, the German peddler, George Gist. The
second was a man named Nathaniel Gist. He was thought to have been Sequoyah’s
father because their family said there was a family story that he came to them
looking for his white family. Why would he have gone to the family of Nathaniel
Gist unless he thought that was his father’s name?
This leads us to a third possible father, another man
named Nathaniel Gist, and a first cousin to the other Nathaniel Gist. He
apparently operated a hunting camp on the Tennessee/Kentucky border and a
trading post/fort in Southwestern Virginia for a few years only, then died a
few years afterwards.
Please know I am making no claims! I have no proof -- only evidence. I still need to review the records from the Bureau of American Ethnology, that document they are said to have written by John Mason Brown, a descendant of Nathaniel Gist, son of Christopher Gist. And there are probably other documents out there that would lend some light on this topic.
We have more evidence, but I don’t have enough time
now. I’ll have to save that for next week end. I hope I'll have the time.
vhawkins1952@gmail.com
vhawkins1952
Hi Vance,
ReplyDeleteSpinning out around Colonel Nathaniel Gist, son of Christopher Gist. On the LDS site, family search.org. they have Moses Guest/Gist(married to Dorcas) as the son of Colonel Nathaniel Gist & we-te-he (watts) of the Red Paint Clan. But on another site I have him the son of Nathaniel Gist by unknown Cherokee. His son, Martin Guest was married to Nancy Looney. It's through her that I am definitively related to Powhatan and Pocahontas (through her sister Cleopatra). I would love to know if you've tripped across any info about Martin or Moses. Their lives are documented in Tennessee, Arkansas, Alabama. I seemed to have reached a dead end and would love any head starts or resources that help me understand their patronage! Thank you- great blog, really enjoying reading it--
Belinda
bwilceathotmaildotcom
First, I really don't think Wu-te-he was a Watts. The Cherokee themselves say she was a full blood. I know all the websites that say she was a 'Watts'. I don't care if 1000 websites say this, as long as the Cherokee themselves say she was a full blood, I will believe them. There was an article in the "Cherokee Phoenix" written about Sequoyah's life during his life time. And he is known to have read every issue of that Cherokee newspaper. All it said about his parents was that Sequoyah's paternal grandfather was White Man and his mother was a full blood. From this, we can think Sequoyah's father was a half blood! It has been said he had two known brothers, Tah-chee (akak William Dutch or Capt. Dutch), and Tobacco Will. However there was an article written about Tah-chee that said he was Long-hair clan! It is known Wu-te-he was Paint clan! So either she wasn't his mother, or the two aren't brothers, unless it was on their father's side, and in those days the Cherokee didn't consider the father as all that important. so . . . My g-g-grandparents (David Brown and family,, his wife was Harriet Guess/Gist) raised 3 orphans, one was named Nancy Loony, 6 years old, on 1850 census. On 1860 census her name was Nancy Brown, 16 years old. She maried a man surnamed Owen. There were several men named Moses Guest, from Alabama, to Indian Territory (Choctaw Nation). One member of the family you are referring to was John Guest. He married a Chickasaw girl. But U researched mostl my family, and we descend from a second Nathaniel Gist, who was son of Nathaniel Gist. There were 3 contemporary men named Nathaniel Gist, and people are always getting them mixed up with one another -- it is hard not to. Good luck.
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ReplyDeleteI have never heard of that. I can trace the surname of my g-g-grandma's surname back to "Harriet Guess" in 1841 when she married "David Brown". Both these families can be traced back to the Tennessee River on the border of what is today Lawrence and . . . I think ?Lauderdale? Counties -- I should look at a map to make sure it is Lauderdale. Our families first are recorded there in 1818 and this region was ceeded from both the Cherokee and Chickasaw nations in 1816. There is a book "Letters from Alabama" that mentions abandoned Indian cabins all over the region and there are people who say not all Indians left after the land was ceded. As far as I know there is no PROOF though that some Indians remained in the area where my family was found. My ancestor was spelled "Rachel Guist" in marriage rcords in Lawrence County, Alabama dated 1820, but another man surnamed Guess (I forget the spelling) married in 1818. There are several Guess/Gist families that married about that time-- Richard, Rachel, Christopher and Thomas -- that have taken DNA tests showing these families are closely related, and we do all go back to a Nathaniel Gist who was said to have been killed at the Battle of Kings Mountain on August 8th, 1780. There is another more famous man named Nathaniel Gist who is considered by many to be Sequoyah's father -- the two "Nathaniel Gist's" were first cousins, but there are enough DNA differences to distinguish between the two -- so say the scientists who performed the DNA tests. I've read that -- they said neither Sequoyah's daughter named Rachel nor his son named Richard had any descendants. My personal autosomal DNA test said I was mostly Caucasian, but there was both Sub-Saharan and American Indian DNA present as well. That doesn't mean we descend from Sequoyah or even the Cherokee -- it just means "somewhere" down the line there was American Indian DNA included. I have never heard of the surname "Money" or "Coon" with respect to my family.
ReplyDeleteVance, I also have an entire collection of genealogy of the gists from Lauderdale county ala, related to "William Harrison Gist" whom all of the gists in this area go thru him as relations. We all have been told from 50 years back of my life that we are descendants of Sequoyah, including my Grandmother Posey who was the granddaughter of William Harrison Gist. Have you read Grant Foremans book about Sequoyah written in 1938?...an historian who encountered him said he had been married 5 times, had 20 children, 10 living, 10 dead. His name was John alexander, using Martin Benge for an interpreter he created a diary and it is now in a California Museum and this is quote what he wrote, " I found the old gentleman's farm to consist of 10 acres cleared land and three small cabins clustered together; his stock is 2 mules, 3 yoke oxen, a wagon with a small stock of cattle and hogs. He has had 5 wives and 20 children; 10 dead and 10 alive; his son jos 8 years old. He is apparently above 60 years of age, rather low in stature and crippled since his youth. He is of a pleasant countenance and indicates a good deal of jenius. He conversed freely on various topics, becoming very animated when my answers and questions pleased him. I have never read this anywhere else but I have it in print.
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